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	<title>Comments on: Soviet Muslims&#8217; shape</title>
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		<title>By: Syed</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-24392</link>
		<dc:creator>Syed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Fundementalist , Terrorist and Extremist. Fundementalist is a person who follows the fundementals of something . e.g A doctor to be a doctor He should know the fundemental of the medicine. If he won't be a fundementalist in his field. He wouldn't be a good doctor. To know something. You should know the fundementals of it. I know the fundemental of islam which is the Islamic creed(shahadah) Prayers, zakat, fast and pilgramige. so whats wrong being a fundementalist.  Terrorist... Terrorist is a person who terrorize someone. e.g My countries is being attacked by americans.. for them i am terrrorist and but to my country i am a freedom fighter. In the same context many countries can be taken. for me americans are terrorist. Why shouldn't be I extremist ? i am extremely devoted to my God. I extremly love my parents, I extremely humble , kind and respect others , i am exteme in doing good things..  Regarding the sects.. God says in Quran... And hold fast the rope of God and be not divided. Our prophet PBUH was not a sunni or shia he didn't belong to any sect. Those scholars.. may Allah bless them had only thoughts and preached islam. We should steadfast to Quran and Sahih Hadith. and be not divided. If anyone wants to know more in detail. i am willing to explain alot.  I challenge the whole world to show me any single principle of islam against humanity.  Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. every where according to CNN report 20,000. accepts islam in USA only. There are black sheeps in every society. Islam shouldn'd be blamed for it. There are people who call themselves muslim but they know nothing what their religion teaches.  Its the media which has potraited islam bad. I am a student of comparative religions. I know christianity , judaism buddhism and hindhuism. I have read their scriptures. I am willing to talk abou it. 
May i know something. IS AFGHANISTAN IN CENTRAL ASIA ????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Fundementalist , Terrorist and Extremist. Fundementalist is a person who follows the fundementals of something . e.g A doctor to be a doctor He should know the fundemental of the medicine. If he won&#8217;t be a fundementalist in his field. He wouldn&#8217;t be a good doctor. To know something. You should know the fundementals of it. I know the fundemental of islam which is the Islamic creed(shahadah) Prayers, zakat, fast and pilgramige. so whats wrong being a fundementalist.  Terrorist&#8230; Terrorist is a person who terrorize someone. e.g My countries is being attacked by americans.. for them i am terrrorist and but to my country i am a freedom fighter. In the same context many countries can be taken. for me americans are terrorist. Why shouldn&#8217;t be I extremist ? i am extremely devoted to my God. I extremly love my parents, I extremely humble , kind and respect others , i am exteme in doing good things..  Regarding the sects.. God says in Quran&#8230; And hold fast the rope of God and be not divided. Our prophet PBUH was not a sunni or shia he didn&#8217;t belong to any sect. Those scholars.. may Allah bless them had only thoughts and preached islam. We should steadfast to Quran and Sahih Hadith. and be not divided. If anyone wants to know more in detail. i am willing to explain alot.  I challenge the whole world to show me any single principle of islam against humanity.  Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. every where according to CNN report 20,000. accepts islam in USA only. There are black sheeps in every society. Islam shouldn&#8217;d be blamed for it. There are people who call themselves muslim but they know nothing what their religion teaches.  Its the media which has potraited islam bad. I am a student of comparative religions. I know christianity , judaism buddhism and hindhuism. I have read their scriptures. I am willing to talk abou it.<br />
May i know something. IS AFGHANISTAN IN CENTRAL ASIA ????</p>
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		<title>By: kazakhstan.neweurasia.net &#187; Halal, says the President</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-16601</link>
		<dc:creator>kazakhstan.neweurasia.net &#187; Halal, says the President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn’t have an idea about what the difference between Sunnis and Shias actually is&#8221;, Baktygul thought a while ago. Those people who own their own cattle do halal meat themselves, but hardly anyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] doesn’t have an idea about what the difference between Sunnis and Shias actually is&#8221;, Baktygul thought a while ago. Those people who own their own cattle do halal meat themselves, but hardly anyone [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lapre Jeffery</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-11555</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Lapre Jeffery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-11555</guid>
		<description>Good analysis on the country...I think you are very interested in country's affairs..Good luck!


Don Lapre Jeffery
webmaster@john-don-lapre-world.com
www.john-don-lapre-world.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis on the country&#8230;I think you are very interested in country&#8217;s affairs..Good luck!</p>
<p>Don Lapre Jeffery<br />
<a href="mailto:webmaster@john-don-lapre-world.com">webmaster@john-don-lapre-world.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.john-don-lapre-world.com" rel="nofollow">www.john-don-lapre-world.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ataman Rakin</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Ataman Rakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-66</guid>
		<description>Köp rakhmet Baktygul! Here is an article on a similar issue that might be of interest:
http://www.thinking-east.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=141

"Even the idea of a stronghold of Islam in Usbekistan, Tadjikistan and Turkmenistan is more or less an illusion,"
 
Yes. The so-called ‘threat of Islamic extremism’ in the region is, if not a myth, then largely exaggerated, partly for poltical reasons, partly out of naivity.

“So, it seems that the revival of Islam in Kazakhstan and in Central Asia is limited to cultural development. (…) If repression continues, Islam will surely gain weight and significance.” 

Here I don't fully agree. This is indeed a very classical point of view but in my opinion it is too easy to limit interest for Islam as merely cultural (in the narrow sense of the word: art, folklore, history etc.) and as the outcome of negative factors (repression, poverty, unemployment). 

What, for example, if a number of ex-Soviet Muslims (perhaps not a massive majority of them but not a few either) see Islam as an opportunity rather than as a threat? With opportunity, I mean: an identity, a source of dignity and self-respect and a social framework.

The vast majority of the region’s people naturally want a decent life and a minimum of social justice and security for themselves and their families. Yet I think there is a lot of truth in a statement made by Samuel Huntington in ‘The clash of civilisations’: 

« People do not live by bread and reason alone. They cannot calculate and act rationally in pursuit of their self-interests until they define their self. Self-interest presupposes identity. »

What is that identity, or where to find it? The Soviet Union is gone, and even if its impact it still visible and popular nostalgia strong, it is dead as a project for the future. And the blind westernisation and the sort of capitalism that we saw in the region over the last decade was very often the worst of both (also, much of the imported western/international concepts simply do not ‘stick’ or are discredited in the eyes of many local people).

In my opinion, the ex-Soviet Muslims’ real identity today has two key elements: 

*a continuing Russian influence due to the Soviet era; 

*and a historical legacy undeniably rooted in Islam (Sufism in particular), the cultural sphere that was dominant during the region’s heyday. Both seem contradictory but IMO are not necessarily so. 


IMO, a suitable, Eurasian form of Islam would be good for the region. It can help cement an identity at a time when ethnic traditions and Soviet codes of conduct erode fast, as they do elsewhere in the world. It can offer a social framework for an emerging middle class at least in parts of the region. If can foster a higher level of resistance against social decay (alcoholism, drug addiction) and more social responsibility. And even support certain social services where overburdened governments can not ? unless there’s indeed reason to panic if social networks around mosques and waqfi (Muslim charity foundations) take care of impoverished pensioners or set up sports facilities and computer classes? 


Having said all that, I am not naïve or over-idealising Islam at all. Yet I do think that many (I do not mean anyone here but in general) are dangerously naïve about the benefits of wholesale ‘westernisation’ and ‘secularism’.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Köp rakhmet Baktygul! Here is an article on a similar issue that might be of interest:<br />
<a href="http://www.thinking-east.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=141" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinking-east.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=141</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Even the idea of a stronghold of Islam in Usbekistan, Tadjikistan and Turkmenistan is more or less an illusion,&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. The so-called ‘threat of Islamic extremism’ in the region is, if not a myth, then largely exaggerated, partly for poltical reasons, partly out of naivity.</p>
<p>“So, it seems that the revival of Islam in Kazakhstan and in Central Asia is limited to cultural development. (…) If repression continues, Islam will surely gain weight and significance.” </p>
<p>Here I don&#8217;t fully agree. This is indeed a very classical point of view but in my opinion it is too easy to limit interest for Islam as merely cultural (in the narrow sense of the word: art, folklore, history etc.) and as the outcome of negative factors (repression, poverty, unemployment). </p>
<p>What, for example, if a number of ex-Soviet Muslims (perhaps not a massive majority of them but not a few either) see Islam as an opportunity rather than as a threat? With opportunity, I mean: an identity, a source of dignity and self-respect and a social framework.</p>
<p>The vast majority of the region’s people naturally want a decent life and a minimum of social justice and security for themselves and their families. Yet I think there is a lot of truth in a statement made by Samuel Huntington in ‘The clash of civilisations’: </p>
<p>« People do not live by bread and reason alone. They cannot calculate and act rationally in pursuit of their self-interests until they define their self. Self-interest presupposes identity. »</p>
<p>What is that identity, or where to find it? The Soviet Union is gone, and even if its impact it still visible and popular nostalgia strong, it is dead as a project for the future. And the blind westernisation and the sort of capitalism that we saw in the region over the last decade was very often the worst of both (also, much of the imported western/international concepts simply do not ‘stick’ or are discredited in the eyes of many local people).</p>
<p>In my opinion, the ex-Soviet Muslims’ real identity today has two key elements: </p>
<p>*a continuing Russian influence due to the Soviet era; </p>
<p>*and a historical legacy undeniably rooted in Islam (Sufism in particular), the cultural sphere that was dominant during the region’s heyday. Both seem contradictory but IMO are not necessarily so. </p>
<p>IMO, a suitable, Eurasian form of Islam would be good for the region. It can help cement an identity at a time when ethnic traditions and Soviet codes of conduct erode fast, as they do elsewhere in the world. It can offer a social framework for an emerging middle class at least in parts of the region. If can foster a higher level of resistance against social decay (alcoholism, drug addiction) and more social responsibility. And even support certain social services where overburdened governments can not ? unless there’s indeed reason to panic if social networks around mosques and waqfi (Muslim charity foundations) take care of impoverished pensioners or set up sports facilities and computer classes? </p>
<p>Having said all that, I am not naïve or over-idealising Islam at all. Yet I do think that many (I do not mean anyone here but in general) are dangerously naïve about the benefits of wholesale ‘westernisation’ and ‘secularism’.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurzhan</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurzhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-57</guid>
		<description>Dear LazyNomad,
I agree with your point, however, Shymkent region constitutes about 25% of Muslim population of Kazakhstan therefore it is not correct to say that the majority of Muslims don't know about Islam since 25% is a big proportion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear LazyNomad,<br />
I agree with your point, however, Shymkent region constitutes about 25% of Muslim population of Kazakhstan therefore it is not correct to say that the majority of Muslims don&#8217;t know about Islam since 25% is a big proportion!</p>
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		<title>By: LazyNomad</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>LazyNomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nurzhan,
the answer is that you are from Shymkent. People there as well as in the other southern regions of Kazakhstan (not Almaty) and in the western regions probably has better knowledge of islam than other kazakhstanis. As for the other regions (Central, North, East) islam has very little influence (practically none)  on the way of thinking, perception and decision-making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nurzhan,<br />
the answer is that you are from Shymkent. People there as well as in the other southern regions of Kazakhstan (not Almaty) and in the western regions probably has better knowledge of islam than other kazakhstanis. As for the other regions (Central, North, East) islam has very little influence (practically none)  on the way of thinking, perception and decision-making.</p>
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		<title>By: Baktygul</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Baktygul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-55</guid>
		<description>Nurjan,
I appreciate that you express your opinion on this matter because Islam actually is part of Central Asian people's life since once in the past the historical events made the tribes and the nations that had been living and migrating on the territories of modern Central Asia to be come muslims. But the soviet union in the history of Central Asia had appeared as a serious turn for the people over here that is why there are odities and confusion concerning the religion, which has to be talked about a lot. I believe that you may know a lot about Islam and maybe people in your neighborhood also have a good knowledge but I would argue on the majority of the population that is aware on Islam religion.
Thank you for the counter point, I appreciate it.
Baktygul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nurjan,<br />
I appreciate that you express your opinion on this matter because Islam actually is part of Central Asian people&#8217;s life since once in the past the historical events made the tribes and the nations that had been living and migrating on the territories of modern Central Asia to be come muslims. But the soviet union in the history of Central Asia had appeared as a serious turn for the people over here that is why there are odities and confusion concerning the religion, which has to be talked about a lot. I believe that you may know a lot about Islam and maybe people in your neighborhood also have a good knowledge but I would argue on the majority of the population that is aware on Islam religion.<br />
Thank you for the counter point, I appreciate it.<br />
Baktygul.</p>
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		<title>By: nurzhan</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>nurzhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-54</guid>
		<description>Dear Baktygul,
Good article.
While I agree with the major points on your article, I disagree that many people in Kazakhstan do not know the difference between Sunni and Shii'te Islam. I am originally from Shymkent region and people there are aware of their religious beliefs for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Baktygul,<br />
Good article.<br />
While I agree with the major points on your article, I disagree that many people in Kazakhstan do not know the difference between Sunni and Shii&#8217;te Islam. I am originally from Shymkent region and people there are aware of their religious beliefs for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2005/12/20/soviet-muslims-shape/#comment-52</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kazakhstan: Post-independence Islam&lt;/strong&gt;

	Baktygul of neweurasia discusses Islam in Kazakhstan and Central Asia since independence.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kazakhstan: Post-independence Islam</strong></p>
<p>	Baktygul of neweurasia discusses Islam in Kazakhstan and Central Asia since independence.</p>
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