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	<title>Comments on: Volga - Kazakhstan - Braunschweig</title>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2006/08/08/volga-kazakhstan-braunschweig/#comment-28743</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've just posted &lt;a href="http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2007/06/11/russian-germans-back-to-the-heimat/" rel="nofollow"&gt;another story&lt;/a&gt; on Russian-Germans, this time about those preparing their move back home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just posted <a href="http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2007/06/11/russian-germans-back-to-the-heimat/" rel="nofollow">another story</a> on Russian-Germans, this time about those preparing their move back home.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hartman</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2006/08/08/volga-kazakhstan-braunschweig/#comment-9279</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 04:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to have found this story about Volga Germans emigrating from K'stan to Germany.  I come from an "All Volga Deutsch" heritage.  My grandparents emigrated to Wisconsin at turn of last century.  In 1989 we got word from cousins of my mother who made it from Siberia to Karlsruhe.  We visited them and then in 1993 we visited more relatives in Russia and in K'stan (Rudnyy).  In the late 90's many of the relatives from Rudnyy emigrated to Germany also.  

The success of their emigration is mixed.  Most were able to eventually resume the careers they had, or were studying to have, in the old country.  The least successful had less education or less transferable skills like a bus driver in Koeln.  

Several relatives had married local non-Germans and their children felt no connection to their mothers German heritage.  They did not emigrate.  But one young man with a Russian wife did manage to bring her to Koeln.  They and their children are doing very well.  Their young daughter is a champion show dancer.  Several of her older  cousins are professional musicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to have found this story about Volga Germans emigrating from K&#8217;stan to Germany.  I come from an &#8220;All Volga Deutsch&#8221; heritage.  My grandparents emigrated to Wisconsin at turn of last century.  In 1989 we got word from cousins of my mother who made it from Siberia to Karlsruhe.  We visited them and then in 1993 we visited more relatives in Russia and in K&#8217;stan (Rudnyy).  In the late 90&#8217;s many of the relatives from Rudnyy emigrated to Germany also.  </p>
<p>The success of their emigration is mixed.  Most were able to eventually resume the careers they had, or were studying to have, in the old country.  The least successful had less education or less transferable skills like a bus driver in Koeln.  </p>
<p>Several relatives had married local non-Germans and their children felt no connection to their mothers German heritage.  They did not emigrate.  But one young man with a Russian wife did manage to bring her to Koeln.  They and their children are doing very well.  Their young daughter is a champion show dancer.  Several of her older  cousins are professional musicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Helene Wolf</title>
		<link>http://kazakhstan.neweurasia.net/2006/08/08/volga-kazakhstan-braunschweig/#comment-3342</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an impressive life story. Unfortunately, it reminds me of all the other stories told by Kazakh - Germans. I am impressed with those Germans, so much pride, dignity and optimism! Not many people know how much these people suffered. And yet, they still remain positive and have this amazing believe in the future. What keeps these people alive? Quite incredible! There is no sign of bitterness or revenge or any other feelings that one would possible develop after so much suffering. None of it! Just sheer positivism!  And some kind of strange love for life!  And yet it seems even more incredible once you know that the suffering for Kazakh-Germans still goes on. Being not accepted in Germany and being viewed as different again and again, with the difference that it happens now in their "home land" Germany. The country that most of them saw as the salvation from the “horror" that they endured over generations in Siberia and Kazakhstan.  A country that they thought would welcome them back would treat them with respect they deserve and most importantly, a country where they can finally feel at home. A country that was part of their dream that kept them alive in the constant near dead existence in Kazakhstan and Siberia. Did their dream come true? Yes, it did, however with horrendous consequences for the younger generation of Kazakh-Germans. The consequence of being uprooted from the culture they knew, that is Kazakh or Russian, and being put into the soil of the “Motherland Germany” that refuses to accept the roots. Most of the younger generation Kazakh – Germans feel confused about their identity, their belongingness their future in this new country that supposed to bring them happiness. 

The coldness and the integration policy of Germany (which involves two steps: “firstly, you integrate into our culture, so that we don’t see any difference, otherwise you will not be accepted and  secondly, we are not interested in where you are from and how you can enrich our culture and improve our understanding of you”) makes it even more difficult to feel accepted and gives Kazakh-Germans more the status of immigrants and not of Germans coming home. The qualifications “immigrants” gained in Kazakhstan are not accepted, which leads to the majority of people ending up doing job just to survive, which are mostly below the educational level they received. Parents’ eagerness to integrate into the society, with one of the goals not to be part of the lowest socio-economic class, wrongly advise their children to start working as early as possible, which, unfortunately, results in Kazakh-Germans continuing being at the lower end of the social economy.   They view Gymnasium or University as something that should be attended by privileged children – not Kazakh – Germans! There is much more going on that cannot be discussed here in this little short comment. My question is how much does the returning to the “Motherland” make those people happy? Not much! Maybe just confused! 

“But that is the common issue in immigration”, I was told once in a psychology seminar. That means that Kazakh-Germans are immigrants and are not really returning home. Maybe if we leave it by that, and change the hypocritical comments of German politicians stating that Kazakh-Germans are returning home to Germany, maybe then, it will make it easier for people. It least they will know what to expect – which will definitely not be the anticipation to see the “Dream Land”. 

Reading this comment written by myself, it seems to me that I need this “optimism pill” used by my ancestors who survived in Kazakhstan (and did not in Siberia) to be able to survive in this “Dream Land Germany”.  I genuinely admire their optimism. To my living and my already dead ancestors!

Sorry for such a long comment, it was not intentional. I hope it all made sense! 

Thank you for reading
Helene Wolf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an impressive life story. Unfortunately, it reminds me of all the other stories told by Kazakh - Germans. I am impressed with those Germans, so much pride, dignity and optimism! Not many people know how much these people suffered. And yet, they still remain positive and have this amazing believe in the future. What keeps these people alive? Quite incredible! There is no sign of bitterness or revenge or any other feelings that one would possible develop after so much suffering. None of it! Just sheer positivism!  And some kind of strange love for life!  And yet it seems even more incredible once you know that the suffering for Kazakh-Germans still goes on. Being not accepted in Germany and being viewed as different again and again, with the difference that it happens now in their &#8220;home land&#8221; Germany. The country that most of them saw as the salvation from the “horror&#8221; that they endured over generations in Siberia and Kazakhstan.  A country that they thought would welcome them back would treat them with respect they deserve and most importantly, a country where they can finally feel at home. A country that was part of their dream that kept them alive in the constant near dead existence in Kazakhstan and Siberia. Did their dream come true? Yes, it did, however with horrendous consequences for the younger generation of Kazakh-Germans. The consequence of being uprooted from the culture they knew, that is Kazakh or Russian, and being put into the soil of the “Motherland Germany” that refuses to accept the roots. Most of the younger generation Kazakh – Germans feel confused about their identity, their belongingness their future in this new country that supposed to bring them happiness. </p>
<p>The coldness and the integration policy of Germany (which involves two steps: “firstly, you integrate into our culture, so that we don’t see any difference, otherwise you will not be accepted and  secondly, we are not interested in where you are from and how you can enrich our culture and improve our understanding of you”) makes it even more difficult to feel accepted and gives Kazakh-Germans more the status of immigrants and not of Germans coming home. The qualifications “immigrants” gained in Kazakhstan are not accepted, which leads to the majority of people ending up doing job just to survive, which are mostly below the educational level they received. Parents’ eagerness to integrate into the society, with one of the goals not to be part of the lowest socio-economic class, wrongly advise their children to start working as early as possible, which, unfortunately, results in Kazakh-Germans continuing being at the lower end of the social economy.   They view Gymnasium or University as something that should be attended by privileged children – not Kazakh – Germans! There is much more going on that cannot be discussed here in this little short comment. My question is how much does the returning to the “Motherland” make those people happy? Not much! Maybe just confused! </p>
<p>“But that is the common issue in immigration”, I was told once in a psychology seminar. That means that Kazakh-Germans are immigrants and are not really returning home. Maybe if we leave it by that, and change the hypocritical comments of German politicians stating that Kazakh-Germans are returning home to Germany, maybe then, it will make it easier for people. It least they will know what to expect – which will definitely not be the anticipation to see the “Dream Land”. </p>
<p>Reading this comment written by myself, it seems to me that I need this “optimism pill” used by my ancestors who survived in Kazakhstan (and did not in Siberia) to be able to survive in this “Dream Land Germany”.  I genuinely admire their optimism. To my living and my already dead ancestors!</p>
<p>Sorry for such a long comment, it was not intentional. I hope it all made sense! </p>
<p>Thank you for reading<br />
Helene Wolf</p>
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		<title>By: Optician &#187; Laughter&#8217;s the best medicine, says hospital DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Optician &#187; Laughter&#8217;s the best medicine, says hospital DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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